Episode 89: The Surprising Journey From Pain to Pain Free Living
Debora Wayne
DEBORA WAYNE Founder & CEO of The International Chronic Pain Institute is a world-renowned energy healer whose leading-edge method, known as HighSpeed Healing™, has helped tens of thousands worldwide to rapidly release Chronic Pain, Depression, Anxiety, Trauma, Binge-Eating, Chronic Fatigue, Insomnia and other Chronic Conditions, WITHOUT pills, PT or dietary restrictions.
A highly sought after speaker, and #1 Bestselling Author of “Why Do I Still Hurt?, Debora has earned degrees and certifications in Psychology, Hypnotherapy, & Chemical Dependency Counseling, has 35+ years practicing and teaching Meditation, is a nationally recognized Glass Artist, former professional Modern Dancer and Certified Yoga Instructor.
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Podcast Transcript:
Damaged Parents: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Relatively Damaged Podcast by Damaged Parents. Where anxious, depressed, addicted people come to learn maybe just, maybe we're all a little bit damaged. Someone once told me it's safe to assume. 50% of the people I meet are struggling and feel wounded in some way. I would venture to say it's closer to 100%. Every one of us is either currently struggling or has struggled with something that made us feel less than like we aren't good enough. We aren't capable. We are relatively damaged. And that's what we're here to talk about. In my ongoing investigation of the damage self. I want to better understand how others view their own challenges.
Maybe it's not so much about the damage, maybe it's about our perception and how we deal with it. There is a deep commitment to becoming who we are meant to be. How do you do that? How do you find balance after a damaging experience? My hero is the damaged person. The one who faces seemingly insurmountable odds to come out on the other side, whole those who stare directly into the face of adversity with unyielding persistence to discover their purpose. These are the people who inspire me to be more fully me. Not in spite of my trials, but because of them. Let's hear from another hero.
Today's topic includes sensitive material, which may not be appropriate for children. This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and is not intended as advice. The opinions expressed here were strictly those of the person who gave them.
Today, we're going to talk with Debora Wayne. She has many roles in her life. Sister, step parent, first cousin, second cousin, daughter, niece, and more. We'll talk about how she suffered from anxiety, depression, addiction to drugs. Alcohol and food and how she found health and healing. Let's talk.
Welcome to Relatively Damaged by Damaged Parents. We've got Debora Wayne, founder and CEO of the international Chronic Pain Institute, who is also a world renown energy healer who's leading edge method known as high speed healing has helped tens of thousands worldwide to rapidly release chronic pain, depression, anxiety, trauma.
Binge eating, chronic fatigue, insomnia, and other chronic conditions without pills, physical therapy or dietary restrictions. She's also the selling author of why do I still hurt Debora I'm so glad to have you here today.
Debora Wayne: [00:02:41] Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm excited to be here with you.
Damaged Parents: [00:02:45] Yeah, it's really interesting to have you on as someone from a chronic pain perspective. And yet here we are talking about struggles. So I'm really intrigued to hear your story because I'm thinking there were some pretty key lessons along the way that brought you to your trademark method.
Debora Wayne: [00:03:05] Absolutely there was, and it was a very unexpected journey. This was not on my 90 day plan to become an expert in chronic pain, but I'll take you back to the pivotal moment. It was about 36 years ago now. And it was a regular Monday morning where I would have just gotten up, got dressed, go to work.
But that morning, I found myself lying on the floor of my closet and I couldn't get dressed and I couldn't stop crying and I couldn't go to work. And I was in pain from head to toe and I was having suicidal thoughts. I was completely depressed. I was out of ideas and out of the ability to fake it till you make it one more day.
And that day, really, it was a very, it felt like the worst day of my life, but it was a true turning point that has changed everything. So I had physical symptoms. I had depression, anxiety. And I had been trying for a long time to figure out what was wrong, what to do about it. And I kept getting more and more tired of telling people and going to doctors.
So I kept it in.
Damaged Parents: [00:04:12] So it sounds like the anxiety and the depression, at least I'm not maybe the pain, all of that existed before that day.
Debora Wayne: [00:04:21] Oh yeah. I had been for about 14 years doing things like. Pretending it didn't hurt and taking pills and drinking myself to sleep at night because I couldn't sleep and going to doctors because my hair was falling out and I felt terrible and they couldn't find anything on medical tests or what they did find.
They would give me things to do, to treat it and nothing worked. I had ulcers, I had aches and pains in my joints and my muscles ached and were heavy and I had PMs so bad. I had to lay down flat three to five days out of every month. It was horrible. And I had just, my head, my head was filled with the, I call them the critical committee, but it was, Always, I felt either anxious or depressed, anxious, or depressed, worried, worried, worried all the time.
And I started binge eating, eating a lot of sweets to just try to get out of the feelings that I was in. And after a while, you know, years of this went on and it just became a chronic. Exhausting way to live. And even though I looked like I was functioning on the outside, I went to work. I had a big house, a husband, great career, but truthfully on the inside, I was really dying and I couldn't do it anymore on that day.
So what was unusual for me is I screamed out to a God. I didn't believe in at all at the time. And I said, if there's anything out there help me. Cause I don't know what to do. And I had this really unusual spiritual experience that rocked my world, changed everything in the closet. And myself, I became envelops in this bubble of love.
I call it, it was a feeling of unconditional love and peace that I had never experienced. And I knew everything was going to be okay. And I felt calm all of a sudden, and I stopped crying and I got up and I went in the other room and I picked up the phone and I called a professional and I asked for help.
Which was not like me. I was, uh, I'll figure it out on my own. Thank you very much. Keep it to yourself. Don't air your dirty laundry in public. I was raised like that. So for me to ask for help was a big deal and it began my healing journey. Which terrified me, but quite frankly, very rapidly started to get me on track, throwing out, sorting out, discovering who I really was, what was going on in my mind, resolving the inner conflicts.
And the biggest thing that I started to do that really changed everything was I began to meditate. And spend more time in nature and quiet time instead of rushing around and distracting myself. I started to do things differently in my lifestyle. And I had a series of very profound, spiritually transformative experiences that showed me, revealed to me that everything is energy, including the body, my body, my symptoms, my pain was actually made of energy.
That could be changed. And that. I started to discover how to release, how to let go, not just think about it, but literally transform what was going on in my life into a state of calm and peace. And my intuition, which I had had when I was younger in life, but I had learned to. Not trust it and turn it off and think it was childish.
It came back on full force and I started to realize that I had a purpose here and first it was going to be healing myself. And then I would be able to help lots of other people. Now that didn't happen overnight, but that's where if you look back to that day and fast forward to today, everything I'm doing today was a result of that pivotal moment in time.
And. After that, lots of things have happened over the years, but it became the foundation. Everything that was revealed to me in meditation became the foundation of all the work that I've been able to do with literally tens of thousands of people around the world, all virtually in 150 countries, people I've never met and I've seen nothing short of.
Transformation of very serious chronic pain and chronic conditions and mystery illness like I had. And it's just been the most rewarding thing that's ever happened to me that was never expected.
Damaged Parents: [00:08:46] Right. I mean, because. You suffered from anxiety, depression, chronic pain. You were going to doctors. These doctors didn't have answers. I'm sure you were frustrated now, were they brave enough to say, I don't know or.
Debora Wayne: [00:08:59] No. Everyone said they could help me. That's also what was so frustrating. Some people would say, Oh, you're just stressed out. Take this pill. Other said, Oh, I know exactly what's wrong with you. Take these pills, do this. It was always, the answer was always pill medication. And I. Had to find a way to get off the pills and heal without pills, because I became highly addicted to pills and to drinking, to try to numb out the pain and binge eating and.
It was killing me. And so the normal way of dealing with what I was saying was going on was not going to work for me. Long-term I was headed for death truly. So I had to find a way, and I'm grateful to say that I have found a way and that's, what sets my methods apart from, you know, because most of the people I work with.
They go to the it's a, it's your first normal response. If something hurts, you go to a doctor, they say, where does it hurt? But our methods are cut it out or drag it out.
Damaged Parents: [00:10:03] Fixed. I like that. The word fix for me is huge. When I think of Western medicine, I go there to get fixed.
Debora Wayne: [00:10:13] Exactly. And we look at the pain as if there's something bad about it, instead of learning from it, like everything's serves a purpose. Everything. If we learn to understand and interpret the message correctly, we'll see the pain is a great teacher. It's not just showing up for no reason.
It's there to show us when we're out of alignment when we're off track of the ideal path for us. And I'm not saying you learn to cope with it or live with it or suffer from it for the rest of your life. But you have to learn from it. And, but our conventional way of thinking about it is let's just get rid of it.
Let's numb it out. Let's get the symptoms suppressed. And then we carry on in the same manner that we were living before. And so many people that I work with say, you know, I ended up with a laundry list of side effects from the medications. Now I feel worse than I did when I started and the pain is still there.
And so then many people start to look for natural. Methods, holistic health practitioners, which again, I love, I love the whole field, but a lot of it is still symptom treatment with supplements that then still are looking at the symptoms as the problem and trying to get rid of the symptoms and not going deep enough to the roots to find out why is this manifesting to begin with?
Does that make sense?
Damaged Parents: [00:11:42] What I hear you saying is we can look at the symptoms all day long. We can try to address those symptoms all day long yet there's still a cause. And if we don't investigate the cause. Then it will perpetuate the problem or at least the problem will stay there, even if it's masked and get worse and worse.
And in fact, on top of that, some of those medicines will have side effects and then the medications prescribed for those side effects will have side effects. And before, you know, it you're exponentially increasing the chances of side effects
Debora Wayne: [00:12:20] That is a hundred percent accurate
Damaged Parents: [00:12:22] Right. And even with the holistic approach with the different herbs, because the same type of thing could happen.
I don't think we want to think about it that way. I do believe it happens though.
Debora Wayne: [00:12:34] It does happen. I mean, herbs are very powerful. All the drugs came originally from some natural substance that we've synthetically manufactured, but a lot of people are taking handfuls of supplements of different kinds. And the sad fact is they say to me every day, I'm not sure they're working, but I'm afraid to stop taking them.
So we get a psychological addiction as well. And a fear of nothing's working. I don't know what to do, so I better take something. We live in a society. That's got a pill for everything. The answer is a pill and I love what you shared because it's in my, opinion and experience, the symptoms are never the root cause of the problem.
And it's like having a beautiful tree with fruit and you have the fruit is. Brown and shriveled and falling off an inedible. You wouldn't take the soil, the water, the air, the nutrients, and pour it over the fruit. You have to go down to the roots of the tree and find and heal. The trees roots and the roots are typically hidden from view.
They're not obvious. They're not out in the open. They're not what shows up on a test. And most practitioners aren't trained to go deep enough. They want to help. I'm not bashing the medical community. I'm just saying the training doesn't help the clients go deep enough to find the roots. So we have to change the way we even look at this and the way we help people heal.
Damaged Parents: [00:14:04] I think you will be happy to know that I actually spoke to an emergency room physician who said. Sometimes we don't know. And it's just not okay to say, I don't know, in that field and yet the training doesn't allow room or the enough knowledge, I think it's so important that we become advocates for ourselves.
I mean, it's so rare. I was so surprised. She said that.
Debora Wayne: [00:14:29] Well, it's very rare one. We'll admit that there's a shame, in fact, in admitting, uh, we don't know, but my God, there's so much to know that the longer I live, the less I know, and the more that's revealed and we find new solutions and information every single day. So to me, it's just shocking to think that it's even possible to know everything.
Especially when. The system doesn't really even interact with the client, with the patient they're in a very deep manner and really go have a conversation and find out all the facets of that person's life and how they think and how they feel. And what's been going on in their life. All of those things contribute to disease and to symptoms.
So, usually there's what, 10 minutes and looking at the clock and writing all the notes and just hurry hurry hurry. Cause there's 30 more people in line. I have many people that tell me, they just felt like a ticket number and nobody even asked them what was going on really with their lives.
Damaged Parents: [00:15:31] Yeah. And it's hard in 10 minutes. I mean, the doctors clearly not given enough time and we could get into a whole nother conversation on that. That is not what this podcast is about. So tell us more about the unique approach to the high speed healing. And then maybe I'm. I want to probably ask some questions along the way.
Debora Wayne: [00:15:52] Okay. Great. The current approach, as I mentioned is typically take a test, cut it out, drug it out. Where does it hurt? Let's fix the part. I take a completely different approach when people are in pain. Often the first thing that's suggested in the natural medicine world is let's start eliminating foods and see if the foods are causing the problem.
And I never ever have anyone take a pill. A supplement change their diet and give up all the foods they love. I don't even, there's not even any physical therapy required. I work in a very unique way in three areas. And if you examine these three exact areas and find out where the disturbances are, there's nowhere else to look.
First the mind, our thoughts are a force as real, as electricity. And if we have certain habits of thought and we know from science, the average person is thinking 90,000 thoughts per day. If those thoughts create disturbances, which many of them do for many people and people are never taught to examine their thoughts and correct this, then the thoughts.
Generate an emotional reaction and the emotions literally are a vibration. They are a particular frequency, which is affecting the nervous system, the immune system, every organ in the body. We know from Chinese medicine for thousands of years, that every organ has a corresponding emotion, but it's rarely talked about, and if these emotions are going underground, they're not being expressed.
They get. Suppressed repressed and denied or medicated, even worse. Then we have a real problem and we live in a world that it emphasizes thinking over emotions, and it's actually considered inappropriate, unprofessional, juvenile, and weak to allow real emotions to be. Come up to be discussed, to be released.
So most people, this is the biggest culprit. Most people are holding them in stuffing them. And if that happens long enough, where you have disturbed thoughts and disturbed emotions, it's an inner conflict. That's creating so much stress. It puts people in that sympathetic nervous system mode, which is.
Freezing up or running away or fighting back. they're never relaxed this disrupts the hormones. I mean, the list goes on and on the sleep is disrupted digestion. It causes headaches, pain, literal physical pain, and. This is why so many people are in pain and have disease symptoms and are stuck. So I find and show them how to release the destructive damaging thoughts, the damaging emotions.
And then I work in the third area, which is the energy field, and I do that work for them. It's very easy. It's actually the safest and fastest way and even relaxing way to bring up and release. Damaging thoughts and damaging emotions. So it accelerates the whole healing process. And if you work in those three areas, like I said, there's nowhere else to go.
And people have people who've tried everything, get results.
Damaged Parents: [00:19:13] That's fascinating. So what I heard you. You say is 90,000 thoughts a day and in those 90,000 thoughts now, are they with the thoughts? And I don't know if you know the answer to this question. I certainly don't. I wouldn't be asking it probably, but with those 90,000 thoughts, I mean, you're not really conscious of all of those 90,000 thoughts, are you or do they just happen?
And then those emotions happen?
Debora Wayne: [00:19:41] Great question. Most thoughts are not conscious. They come from. Programming from our early childhood. And. Many of the thoughts are conscious, but they also come from programming, from childhood, from life experiences, from the environment that the person is literally soaking in, living in the things they've been hearing and been told their whole lives, the things they watch on the news and social media, the things they tell themselves that they believe to be true, but they never examine these thoughts.
And a lot of them, if not, the majority of them are not true, but people think they're true and they. Act based on that truth. And then they make choices based on that truth. They have emotional reactions based on that false idea. And so this is very destructive and it's at the root of much of everything that we're seeing manifesting in the physical body because there's subtle energy, everything's energy, thoughts and emotions are energy.
And the subtle energy shows up in the physical body. It doesn't just happen. Their precursor to everything physical in our body and in our lives was subtle energy, thoughts, and emotions. So I help people become more conscious of those thoughts. And when you're conscious of them, it's much easier to change them.
If you don't know something's going on, you can't change it. You wouldn't even think about changing it because you don't know it's even there.
Damaged Parents: [00:21:11] Right. Yeah. I don't know until I know.
Debora Wayne: [00:21:14] Exactly.
Damaged Parents: [00:21:15] And what, from what I hear you saying, it sounds like what I watch, what I read is also a nourishment to my body. And if I'm watching or listening to music or reading things that aren't nourishing. That causes trouble too.
Debora Wayne: [00:21:34] Everything that we're taking in. Everything in any form that we're taking in, we have to digest. We're trying to digest life all the time. That means people. That means things that you hear read. See, listen to. It's not just foods, it's not just air quality or water. It's everything. And here's the real key piece before the age of eight or nine, the brain doesn't know the difference between what's true and what's false.
What's going to be helpful. What's going to be harmful as cold as it sounds. It's like an empty computer brand new with no virus protection and just takes in all the files. The files come from the environment you were born into and you don't have. The ability at that age to say, I don't want to take that in.
So what you are around, you don't even understand and yet it's going in. And so if the environment you were in was critical judgmental, maybe there was abuse or violence or neglect, maybe there was, high, high standards of perfection. Maybe no one was there for you when you were crying or upset.
These things imprint. In the energy field and we form the beliefs that literally form the basis of what we believe to be true about life. And, but it's done unconsciously and the emotional environment of our childhood, where we, the people we spent our time around. The emotions that were present were taking those in, and we can feel a more safe or not safe because we're instinctually wired to survive and stay alive, not to be happy, but to try to stay safe and stay alive, the brain will try to do that, and it will even shut down parts of us to compensate in order to stay safe.
So, for example, if you grew up in an environment where. You weren't allowed to cry or be angry or have a need. And you were punished for that were sent away or told to be quiet or even hit. You will learn to do something to shut that part down, to avoid the danger. You will know there's danger and that part of yourself that naturally wants to express goes underground and it will affect.
Like I said the nervous system, the immune system, it puts the child in a sympathetic nervous system state. They never relax. And so we see things like digestive disorders and the, inability to sleep at night nightmares, migraines. I see so many symptoms, including pain and exhaustion. the chronic fatigue is a big one, fibromyalgia or people come to me every day with this and arthritis pain.
And, the list goes on and on of conditions, but they have had a lifetime of suppression holding down. All of their own true natural energy, which comes out in the form of emotions, which comes up in the form of thoughts, but they learned to shut it down because they didn't feel safe. And that six year old is running the 60 year olds life. So I see people 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 years old, and they've been living this way, because of something that happened way, way back that. Went underground, unconscious and never was healed.
Damaged Parents: [00:25:00] Yeah it's always interesting to me because I do believe that as you explained, the different situations. And yet there are also some people who, for whatever reason there was, it was pretty good. And yet they're predisposed to hold on to the horrible moment. And then their life is defined by that negative response.
And then they always seem to pick up on those negative responses. I'm thinking you've worked with those types of
Debora Wayne: [00:25:28] Oh, yes. You know, well, here's the thing I've discovered as well. Well, everything is vibration. And so whatever you focus on, you get more of, and if you are like, you're saying, thinking about the negative feeling, the negative dwelling on it, you're feeding energy into it. You're going to notice more and more of it.
That's where your attention goes and energy goes where your attention is going. And so there may be a million other possibilities, but they're not seeing it. They're just starting to refine a very narrow window of awareness. And what's really fascinating too, is that the brain, because it's wired to keep us alive.
It's looking for danger. So. It's not necessarily bad that a person is noticing something negative, but the problem is, that the brain is trying to keep you alive. And many people go on what I call red alert and they're always. On red alert, looking for danger, looking for dangerous. So they're noticing the negative to try to control it in order to try to feel safe because they learn to do that somewhere along the line.
And until again, we become aware of how the brain is it's doing this and we recognize that we are safe and we do have solutions and we're not being chased by a saber tooth tiger anymore. Then we can rewire all of that and live differently, but people get literally addicted to that habit, that adrenaline, that, that fear, that cortisol is pumping to try to stay safe.
I understand the need to stay safe, but a lot of it is unnecessary. And so I help people undo that and start to notice and rework their self-talk, their inner thinking, learn how to release the fears and the emotions, and then recognize, wait a minute. I'm safe. I'm okay and when you're more relaxed, you think of a million solutions, even if there was a problem, when you're tense, you can hardly think at all, you won't make the best decision.
So I help people learn to relax.
Damaged Parents: [00:27:34] It sounds like when those negative ideas and thoughts, emotions come up.
Debora Wayne: [00:27:40] Yeah.
Damaged Parents: [00:27:41] Almost what I hear you saying is look around, are you in a safe place? It's almost like saying, are you sure this thought is true?
Debora Wayne: [00:27:50] Yes. That's exactly what I asked them. Are you sure this thought is true where did you get that thought? What makes you believe that this is even true. And most people right away, they go, Oh, well, no, it's not necessarily true. My mother used to say that, or I heard that from someone, or I read that on Dr.
Google, know, they, they find it somewhere and then they glom onto it thinking that if they go in their head and think about it more and more and faster and faster and harder and harder, they will control. A negative outcome and it actually works in reverse doesn't help at all.
Damaged Parents: [00:28:25] Right. So, because by focusing on it, like you said earlier, that's what we magnify or bring into. Because of the vibrations of the emotions and the thoughts.
Debora Wayne: [00:28:39] You will be on red alert. You'll hear everyone who talks about it. You'll listen to everything that validates that fearful reality that you have going on in your head. You'll say, see, there it is. There's the proof. There's the proof you will literally see and reinforce based on what you believe to be true.
And you could be choosing a million different realities, but it's like having a cable TV and you only watch one channel and there are a hundred channels, but you keep going to that one channel and never switch it.
Damaged Parents: [00:29:08] Okay. For instance, this is what you're reminded me of in a study when psychologists or students pick a hypothesis, I think they're supposed to pick the opposite of what they want because they have to try to disprove it because of confirmation bias. And my understanding of confirmation bias is exactly what you just described only though in people's lives with their emotion.
I'm going to confirm I'm in danger.
Debora Wayne: [00:29:36] Yes.
Damaged Parents: [00:29:37] Instead of looking for the opposite.
Debora Wayne: [00:29:39] Actually exactly our emotions, how we feel is literally influenced by how we think the thoughts generate an emotional reaction, the emotions generate more thoughts, the thoughts, more emotions. And before, you know, you're round and round a merry-go-round a revolving door that you can't get out of.
And those emotions drive our choices. Every choice is based on an emotion. Everything. And then the choices we keep repeating become habits, patterns, and that's makes up a life.
Damaged Parents: [00:30:12] You make it sound so easy, just change those thoughts or look and investigate them when I think it's a process. I mean, yes, it's easy and yes, it's a process, right? It's practice.
Debora Wayne: [00:30:25] Here's the thing. It actually is very simple. It takes willingness. It's not difficult. And because when someone really grasps like you, what I'm saying, I have watched people have instant healing just from grasping. That they can drop this pattern like that we can change our thought process like that, which then changes the emotional reaction and with just a little bit of attention and effort and willingness.
I've watched people. in my programs every, every day, every week I work with people who have for 20 and 30 years have been wrapped with pain and constant symptoms. And I watched them transform in record time because they're willing to do what I suggest you can drop a thought instantly.
Damaged Parents: [00:31:17] So the thought comes in. I don't have to believe it.
Debora Wayne: [00:31:21] Exactly.
Damaged Parents: [00:31:22] Okay. Okay.
Debora Wayne: [00:31:24] My thought I can calm down. I also teach other techniques to override the thoughts and start to get the body to calm down. Cause if you can get your body to calm down and your breasts to calm down, the mind will follow the body, follows the mind, but the mind will also follow the body.
So you can go in either doorway and. Also in the energy field, see the energy field acts like a recording device. It's the latest leading edge science. That's changing everything about how we think about healing. Because if I go into the energy field, I can actually feel the disturbances. And it's no different than if you turn on music, some music, you know, it's so soothing.
You just immediately feel better. Well, I can bring in a wave of sound like a sound wave that is very relaxing for people. And it starts to smooth out all the disturbances in the field. And the field is the most subtle energy, just like that. It's invisible to the eye, but it starts to communicate with the cells of the body, with the mind, with the emotions and calm people down.
And then many people even become aware. Wow. I was taught this in childhood. I'm going to let this go. And it starts to bring up more rabidly, the unconscious programming. And so you, you start doing these tools that I teach and you would have to fight me not to get some kind of effect. That's a positive.
And that's why people start to rapidly heal. It doesn't have to take 10 years. We don't have to spend 10 years talking about it. It doesn't require pills. It doesn't require giving up foods. It really requires finding where the disturbances are and they're either in the mind, the emotions or the energy field or all of the above.
And there are tools that I teach to release this, and that's why people heal. And it's so. Exciting because, I mean, yesterday again, I'm thinking of someone for the first time. Who's God just was such a list. Completely immobile, unable to work for 20 years now. And in pain from head to toe couldn't sleep.
And in the very first session said to me, Oh my God, I feel so relaxed and so calm. And I was able to move my arm that I haven't been able to move in years. Right away. And I feel the pain leaving my hip pain that I've had for ever is almost all gone. See, this is why I just can't stop talking about this.
Damaged Parents: [00:33:58] when you spoke of the energy field, you, you spoke of music too, and it reminded me of. an article I read, or I don't remember if it was an article or a video I saw, I think it was a video from some leading science place about the sound of spider web made did you see that it was this haunting music, and then I remember it triggered another thought of classical music.
I want to say in water where the, it looked like snow, you know, it was beautiful.
Debora Wayne: [00:34:30] what about the research by Dr. Emoto, where they took sound and they see that sound creates form and it can create beautiful crystal and gorgeous forms that you'll see, or really distorted destructive will sound. Think about it. Thoughts, voice words. This is sound, it sound waves. Our body is 99% water.
We are being affected by sound that we're taking in that we're thinking that we're speaking all the time. Everything is vibration. Everything, our body isn't solid. It's actually a vibrating mass of energy. And light and information. It's all sound waves. When I work on people, I can hear sounds. And many times people, report during a session that they'll, they hear sound as well or they'll hear the buzzing and the humming of their energy field.
You can hear it, then it's just like, You know, we're just so used to seeing things physical and only believing in what we see and touch, but that the fact is there's invisible communication constantly happening. And it's like the cell phone, with no wires, there's something. Connecting and it's just like a sound wave with music.
And we're discovering now in the latest biofield science that we can interact. It's based on physics, we can interact. We are all the time interacting via the one gigantic field that we're all connected to. And that sound is huge connector.
Damaged Parents: [00:36:06] I love that you knew exactly what I was talking about too, because I remember seeing it and being like, Oh my gosh, that's fantastic. That's amazing.
Debora Wayne: [00:36:14] that's fascinating. And that's why we have to be careful what we're letting in. Because if you're around negative people who are gossiping and criticizing and belittling and bullying, you're going to be affected energetically by the energy of that. It's important. You know, foods have vibration.
I'm not saying, eat complete junk food. I'm just saying that everything we take in will affect us. Everything you're hearing, you're seeing, you're touching, you're allowing in, will affect us, but thoughts and emotions are the ones people forget about. And that's what's happening. 24 seven. Thoughts are 24 seven.
Damaged Parents: [00:36:55] That is really interesting that you said those are the things people forget about. And even as you said it, I thought, you know, that is so true. How often? I don't think about my thoughts. I might think a little more about my emotions, but probably most likely only when they're at either end of the spectrum.
Debora Wayne: [00:37:12] Exactly. And that's why people end up in chronic pain and chronic conditions because they wait until something is screaming at them to do anything about it. And they're, don't know how to examine it way, way at the beginning of the trail. That's what I teach is how to. Unwind that ball of string and really understand the very beginning of how these things show up and not wait 20, 30 years for it to manifest, start to every single day work with these release, these, like you said, those negative things that people glom onto and think about a lot.
We need to understand what's going on there and how to rewire that much sooner. Before it shows up as a symptom and this can all happen years before it shows up in the body.
Damaged Parents: [00:38:00] And it sounds like what I'm hearing you say, investigating those thoughts and catching them ahead of time. And those feelings in the way you were describing it made me think of pacing, you know, pacing through my day, not racing through my day.
Debora Wayne: [00:38:17] Oh, I love that. Well, you're right. And I encourage people to take quiet time a little bit every day to be alone with their thoughts, because most people are so distracted all day long, looking outside themselves, they don't take quiet time. They don't listen to their emotions or their thoughts. Those are the two greatest teachers you have.
Damaged Parents: [00:38:37] Yeah, this world is so loud there. I mean, even when you and I were young and I'm, I'm not sure your age that's okay. We don't need to. To share our ages on the podcast, but you know, there, we would go outside and play. I remember my mom would lock the TV and then we got to have tapes and radios. So, and now I see these kids with their air pods or,
or
yeah, all the time
Debora Wayne: [00:39:07] Instant I live by the ocean. It is incredible to me. They come out of the ocean and go straight to the phone and we're in the biggest, most beautiful. Natural state. We could be in at the ocean with the sound of the ocean and the frequencies coming out of the earth and the sky in the air. Those are the frequencies we need to be exposed to.
They actually will soothe, nurture, and restore our nervous system. And what do we do? We put the earbuds in and go to the phone, not even hearing the ocean. It's really quite disturbing to me to see this.
Damaged Parents: [00:39:44] And it's I would, I think so once they get used to all of that noise, it would probably be scary to let go of it.
Debora Wayne: [00:39:53] Well, that's very true. It becomes the new normal, and this is why we're seeing a lot of health conditions, on the rise. A lot of things that get labeled ADHD and nervous and. Anxious, you know, anxiety disorders and little kids, 10 and 11 years old being put on drugs because of their nervous system out of whack.
There's just really, to me, it's reached crisis proportion and there really is a solution that's not harmful, but we're still stuck in that paradigm of take a pill, take a pill, take a pill, but don't change. What's causing it.
Damaged Parents: [00:40:31] Yeah, well, and in getting society to buy into 10 to 20 minutes of quiet time. Either, you know, once or twice a day, I think
there's
this fear of missing out. I'm gonna miss some trending video. No, you're not gonna miss it. It will still be there.
Debora Wayne: [00:40:50] Well, you're, you're accurate. I mean, there, that does happen. And more and more parents I'm working with though are concerned and they are looking for solutions and they see it's a problem. They don't, they see the digital addiction. It's very warm and especially what we've been through the last year and a half, the digital addiction is on the rise and it's affecting the mood of kids, the nervous system, the ability to focus, to concentrate, to sit still it's really.
Reaching crisis. So a lot of parents are looking for natural solutions. They know there's a problem. Even things physically like tech neck from all of the positions of tension we're holding in, in the scrolling and the position of the posture, all of these things like they're rapidly on the rise. So parents were looking for solutions and they're enforcing them.
And when. A child or an adult gets results and they start to feel better that motivates them to do it more. So it doesn't take that long. At least with the methods I use to start to notice positive results. And then people go, Oh my God. Wow. Why didn't I do this 10 years ago? They didn't know any better or they wouldn't know, but you know, when you get an actual practical result, When somebody finally sleeps for the first time through the night after years of disrupted sleep.
And that's usually the first thing that people notice when I work with them is the first thing they say is, Oh my God, Debora I slept like a baby for the first time in years, that gets their attention because it wasn't a pill and it didn't do anything that was difficult to come to happen. They want more of that
Damaged Parents: [00:42:37] And I'm betting, you've got in your system tools. I'm thinking at some point they slipped back or they want to, you know, they have to catch themselves that you set them up for success.
Debora Wayne: [00:42:50] That's a great observation. I have found that almost everyone at some point, usually. Funny enough is it happens pretty quickly. Usually by the third or fourth week that I'm working with someone, whether it's privately or in a group, their resistance comes up and they want to run back to their old habits.
They get scared. A part of them gets scared, especially when they've really had great progress. A part of them goes, Oh my God, I'm going to die here. And people will do. It's a part of us that is literally dying off a habit. And the person gets scared or starts to say, I don't know about this. And it gets a wall goes up and I do see through that and have tools to get them over the hump.
It's why I like to work with people no less than four to six weeks, because that's what it takes to get over that hump. And they don't run back to their old patterns. And if people too quickly. drop the tools. They often will revert back to their default pattern. So we have to get them through until they're more stable on their own.
And then they say, Oh, wow. Like, even if I did go back, it's so uncomfortable. They wouldn't want to stay there and they go, Oh, I see what I'm doing. And they move forward again.
Damaged Parents: [00:44:09] Yeah. So because you saw them through that little dip, if you will, then they have those tools and then they're able, then they know when they're slipping back and they're able to take it on
Debora Wayne: [00:44:20] They're very receptive. Then they become heightened. They become much more aware of the old habits that still pop up. But now they know, they recognize that they know what to do with those habits of thought and emotion, you know, how to release the emotions and they, may choose to. And it makes life so much easier.
They feel empowered. They feel like somebody turned on the juice again, and they feel hopeful and free and much more. Okay. Ease and not worried about life and trying to control everything. They can be more present. They can enjoy their kids, their grandkids doing yoga or traveling or whatever it is that they like to do.
They're in the moment now because they're not trying to control the future that hasn't even happened yet.
Damaged Parents: [00:45:05] Right, right. We were at that time in the podcast where I ask you three, three tips or tools that you want people to walk away from this podcast with.
Debora Wayne: [00:45:17] all right. Number one, you heard me say it already every day, two to five minutes alone. By yourself, if possible in nature, do it in nature where you're quiet and alone. And even if you just squirm and you can't sit still close your eyes and listen and listen, what's on your heart. What's on your mind.
Listen, let it come up. Like a good friend that you would listen to if they were in need. Get to know your inner self that's number one, number two deep belly breathing. Put your one hand on your low belly and one hand on your chest and take a breath in. And most people go up here only. I want you to breathe and practice until you can make only the low hand on your low belly move.
And it might feel very uncomfortable and awkward for a while, but I want you to practice so you can get the low belly to move. This will stimulate the relaxation response. It will override, especially those of you who have a very active mind and you're worried and overwhelmed and stressed. You belly breathe.
You're going to override this. It's physiologically impossible to feel anxious and be doing deep belly breathing at the same time. So. Number one quiet time alone. Number two, deep belly breathing. Number three,
if you're uncomfortable with any feelings that are coming up for you. Reach out to someone and find a trusted confidant and share what's going on because in sharing it, you're going to dissipate the energy to keep it inside is going to make it grow and get stuck and get worse. And so I know that it can feel you can feel vulnerable.
I know that we're not taught to just freely express. And I'm not saying you just do it anywhere with anyone. Find one person you can trust to share what's on your heart and get the emotions up and out. Not someone who's going to criticize you or give you advice, just even listen and don't hold it all in.
Remember everything's energy emotions are energy. Think about a soda pop can. That you shake up, but you don't open the lid. You just keep shaking it up. When you open that lid, there's got to be a huge explosion. That's what you're doing every time you keep those feelings in. So we want to slowly learn to share it, get it up, get it out and release.
Damaged Parents: [00:47:57] I love that. I especially love how you spoke of the soda kid. I never thought of that. That is emotion. Fantastic. Well, I am so glad that I got to have you on the show today. Debora Wayne, founder and CEO of the international chronic pain Institute.
Debora Wayne: [00:48:14] It has been a pleasure to be here with you. Thank you for having me. Thanks for such a great conversation, incredible questions, and helping me get out into the world. The information that healing really is possible. It doesn't have to take forever. You don't have to be stuck and blocked with pain. The rest of your life.
And I really appreciate the support and thanks for everybody who's listening.
Damaged Parents: [00:48:38] Yes. Thank you so much, listeners. You guys rock.
Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Relatively Damaged by Damaged Parents. We've really enjoyed talking to Deborah about how she journeyed from pain to pain, free living. We especially liked when she reminded us that sometimes we have emotional reactions based on false ideas. To unite with other damaged people connect with us on Facebook. Look for damaged parents. We'll be here next week still relatively damaged see you then
