S2E21: 50 Dates: Learning to Love
Cindy is the curator of WomenOnlyWeekend and the author of Reflections from the Dating Pool. Cindy challenged herself to date 50 men in 52 weeks in hopes of finding love and learning how to trust herself again.
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[00:00:00] Damaged Parents: Welcome back to the Relatively Damaged Podcast by Damaged Parents where dating tenacious, inspiring people come to learn. Maybe just, maybe we're all a little bit damaged. Someone once told me it's safe to assume. 50% of the people I meet are struggling and feel wounded in some way. I would venture to say it's closer to 100%. Every one of us is either currently struggling or has struggled with something that made us feel less than like we aren't good enough. We aren't capable. We are relatively damaged. And that's what we're here to talk about.
In my ongoing investigation of the damaged self, I want to better understand how others view their own challenges. Maybe it's not so much about the damage, maybe it's about our perception and how we deal with it. There is a deep commitment to becoming who we are meant to be. How do you do that? How do you find balance after a damaging experience? My hero is the damaged person.
The one who faces seemingly insurmountable odds to come out on the other side, whole. Those who stared directly into the face of adversity with unyielding persistence to discover their purpose. These are the people who inspire me to be more fully me. Not in spite of my trials, but because of them. Let's hear from another hero.
Today's topic includes sensitive material, which may not be appropriate for children. This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and is not intended as advice. The opinions expressed here were strictly those that's the person who gave them. Today we're going to talk with Cindy Drummond she has many roles in her life mother author creator curator and more we'll talk about how her first husband had been arrested for voyeurism she felt like she never knew who he was and how she found health and healing let's talk
Welcome back to Relatively Damaged by Damaged Parents. Today, we have Cindy Drummond. She is the author of reflections from the dating pool. Cindy challenged herself to date 50 men in 52 weeks in hopes of finding love and learning how to trust herself again, which I think is really interesting. She also has a Facebook group women only weekend.
Cindy, welcome to the show. I'm totally intrigued to hear this story because I'm thinking you learned a lot about yourself.
[00:02:26] Cindy Drummond: Thank you. Thank you for having me it was a great opportunity to share my story with you and others and hopes to inspire other people as well. So I really appreciate the opportunity.
[00:02:37] Damaged Parents: For sure. Thank you. I've got to hear this story about, I mean, what even made you think I'm going to date 50 men in 52 weeks. What happened?
[00:02:47] Cindy Drummond: So let's backtrack a little bit because I, think it's important that people know that I had a fairly normal upbringing. Great relationship with my parents, we lived in a nice house, nice community. I got married, fairly young, had two amazing daughters. And then I kind of like, some people can relate to, I kind of got bored.
I thought there was something missing in the marriage. And so I divorced to my husband, the father of my children. And it wasn't long after that, I found myself head over heels with somebody and went into that relationship heart wide open, spent seven years with that person. And there were some red flags, but it wasn't until one morning our doorbell went and, seven police officers burst into our house and hauled him away in handcuffs.
[00:03:42] Damaged Parents: And you had no idea.
[00:03:43] Cindy Drummond: I had no idea
[00:03:44] Damaged Parents: oh my gosh. And, what was that like? I mean, you find it, I mean, in a matter of moments, everything you need to be true was no longer true.
[00:03:54] Cindy Drummond: I think that's the best way to describe it. remember being shocked, them founded disbelief, all of those things. Cause you're, just trying to grasp what's going on and you don't have the words and you've got all these feelings and you're thinking, well, this is a mistake.
They're at the wrong house. This can't be happening. This can't be happening to me. What did I miss? But it did happen to me.
[00:04:17] Damaged Parents: And did you go into depression? I mean, how did you respond or did you go to like that day? Did you just do normal things or did you just fall apart, I guess would be the best way to describe it in my mind? I think I might fall apart. That's why I'm saying that probably.
[00:04:32] Cindy Drummond: I think under different circumstances. That is exactly what could have happened instead. I went into protection mode for my daughters. And so within a couple of hours, I had suitcases packed them in the car with the two cats and drove directly to my parents. And we owned that house together. So it's not like I could never look back, but my immediate thought was.
Are we safe here are my kids safe here. And so I drove to my parents, got us settled there. And then you asked the question, did I fall apart? so the next day I had to return to the house because I had packed obviously in a rush. And I remember going upstairs and walking into our room. That's unmade from the morning before.
And I started walking over to it like, I was like, I'm just going to lie down, put the covers over my head and then something stopped me. And it was just sort of this voice that said, but what if you don't get up?
[00:05:34] Damaged Parents: So luckily you had that voice,
[00:05:37] Cindy Drummond: yeah.
[00:05:38] Damaged Parents: I mean, was it something violent or was it just, I'm trying to understand like the fear and this just the driving away. So it doesn't seem like it was something that was like, oh, they embezzled money or whatever.
[00:05:52] Cindy Drummond: No, what the police told me. And I don't talk about it too much because really it's not my story, but he was arrested. He was accused of something called voyeurism. So he was accused of violating someone's privacy.
[00:06:06] Damaged Parents: Oh bummer. So then, yeah, that would make sense that I've got to get out of here and we've got to get to a safe place.
[00:06:14] Cindy Drummond: Yes,
[00:06:15] Damaged Parents: And in that moment, did you also feel violent?
[00:06:18] Cindy Drummond: Absolutely. Trust. , and you said it, like I had been living a lie. I'm going to be honest, there was definitely signs that there was deception. There was signs that something wasn't adding up, but I couldn't wrap my head around it. And so instead I was asking questions, making excuses, thinking that I was, I think I was actually thinking that I was the one who was crazy.
[00:06:47] Damaged Parents: So if that's where you're going and you were thinking you were the one that was crazy, it sounds like you started to lose trust even in yourself as well.
[00:06:56] Cindy Drummond: That is what I realized when I was able to step away from it is could I trust myself? How did I not see this? Would I be able to trust myself in the future?
[00:07:08] Damaged Parents: So, How did you start to heal it? And even get to the point where 50 dates in 52 weeks.
[00:07:17] Cindy Drummond: Yeah.
[00:07:17] Damaged Parents: Cause I'm thinking something had to happen before you could even get there.
[00:07:21] Cindy Drummond: Well, actually, yes and no about maybe six months after we still own the house, But I had ranchers in the house. So that piece was sort of taken care of. And I was, I shared custody with my daughters, with my ex-husband. And so there was so many nights that I was just on the couch by myself and, you know, you're alone.
And then that turns to loneliness and so I was wanting to maybe go out and start dating, but I was petrified. I was absolutely terrified of, could I trust somebody? What, how is this going to look? And the first day that I decided to go on I hired a matchmaking service. I spent a lot of money because I naively thought that instead of trusting myself, I should trust somebody else.
And they would, I thought they would do like police checks and background checks and, you know, value checks and all that. And they didn't, but that was how I was processing it at the time. And they did find me a match and I drove to that first date and this fellow lived out of town.
So that seemed a little less scary actually. But I drove to that date crying. Like I was sobbing by the time I pulled up, I was, kind of a wreck. I, wiped the mascara from off my face and I was like, okay, pull yourself together. It's just coffee. You can do this.
[00:08:48] Damaged Parents: But you were terrified.
[00:08:49] Cindy Drummond: I was terrified,
[00:08:50] Damaged Parents: Oh. And how did that date end up going? You can tell I'm hesitantly asking here.
[00:08:58] Cindy Drummond: but you know what the, thing is is that it was fine. I mean, he probably didn't drive to the date balling and he probably wasn't terrified, but I could tell that when he walked through the door, he was also nervous. He was feeling apprehension about meeting a stranger.
[00:09:14] Damaged Parents: And so you go on this date, you're both nervous. Did it, clearly didn't turn into anything or maybe you're still friends. I don't know.
[00:09:23] Cindy Drummond: We're not still friends. It didn't turn into anything at that moment. I think there was a text and throughout my book, he does come back into the picture several months later. But what he did teach me at that very first date was, you know, we all are coming into this journey in a different place.
And it was fine. We had a, we had an okay time and and he gave me the courage to go on date. Number two,
[00:09:50] Damaged Parents: Now he's he one of your 50 then.
[00:09:52] Cindy Drummond: he is, I counted him as one of my 50.
[00:09:55] Damaged Parents: Okay. So it started,
[00:09:57] Cindy Drummond: It started.
[00:09:58] Damaged Parents: oh, okay. So was that an idea that came like after that date, it's like, okay, I'm going to just do this.
[00:10:05] Cindy Drummond: I think so. So that first date was, oh my goodness. It's the anniversary of that first date? It's December 16th, a few years ago.
[00:10:13] Damaged Parents: And we're recording today, December 16th.
[00:10:16] Cindy Drummond: Yeah. So I went on that first date and it gave me some confidence. And then, because it was the end of the year, I thought, okay, so I'm going to go on 50 dates over the course of the next year, but I did count him. So I wrote myself this little contract and I said, I'm going to do this. And by the end of a year from now, I will have gone on 50 dates.
[00:10:39] Damaged Parents: Wow. And just making that decision. Was that when you said, okay, here is what I'm going to do and writing that contract, what did that, how did that help you? I mean, cause again, I think we were saying that you had lost trust in yourself. So I mean, that's a pretty big contract if you think about it and so you really just for jumping in, like I'm going to do this or I'm not, it sounds like.
[00:11:07] Cindy Drummond: I think it was a big contract. I think again, I might not have known it at the time, but it was a lofty goal. It also gave me a bit of a cushion because I was sort of saying to myself, okay, so you're going to take a year and you're going to go through this process and I didn't have any expectations. I mean, I guess I hoped that
during the course of a year, I might learn how to trust again, but the expectation was just take the year. Don't put any extra pressure on yourself to start dating anybody immediately, but just go through this exercise and see what happens.
[00:11:44] Damaged Parents: Now when you say dates, I just thought I better clarify this. Are we talking about dating 50 different people or just going on 50 specific different dates?
[00:11:52] Cindy Drummond: 50 different people.
[00:11:55] Damaged Parents: Oh, wow. And that wasn't scary for you or did you, how did you look at it? Did you think of it as, oh, this is going to be an adventure? Or what, what, what was your thought process?
[00:12:05] Cindy Drummond: Well, when I went from being terrified, then I went, there was hope. Obviously I was like, okay, well, and I, there was also some. I was naive because I had never done the online dating thing. And So I just thought that, you know, there was going to be all these men that would come out of the woodwork over the course of 50 weeks.
And, you know, they would be like, do you want to go for dinner? And do you want to go hiking? And so I just had this really glamorized idea of what online dating is
[00:12:36] Damaged Parents: So you had no idea it was, could be any different than that.
[00:12:40] Cindy Drummond: not really.
[00:12:41] Damaged Parents: what did you notice?
[00:12:42] Cindy Drummond: I think the first thing I noticed is that there are a lot of broken people out there. There's a lot of people that come into the dating environment with different intentions, different expectations. And I'm not judging any of that because you know, we all, we all get to have our own journey, but there is definitely some tenacity and some work to be done.
If somebody is serious about falling in love. I think that you there's some hard work at a sense of humor.
[00:13:17] Damaged Parents: Okay. I've been embedding the sense of humor had to show up somewhere. So you have a story for us.
[00:13:23] Cindy Drummond: Oh, yes. So I said 50 different dates, but some guys I did it twice or three times and there was this one fellow and I think we'd been out three times and I thought, I wonder if I should introduce them to a couple of my friends? Cause we did this quarterly games night. And so he was all excited to join us. So he comes over, he meets me there.
I had asked him to bring some wine. Of course, I think he had been drinking before he got there and wrong wine. Cause I only drank white wine, brought red wine that didn't bother him. He was just going to drink the red wine. We're playing this game. And then one of the games had a question about where a woman would want to put perfume for the set to last longer
and so he jumps up out of his chair, rushes across the room to me and buries his face in my chest. I think the term is motorboating and to the shock of the other couples in the room. But I just remember my friend Karen standing up and saying, that's it buddy. You're off the island. It is time for you to go. And so we laugh about that now.
[00:14:35] Damaged Parents: That like visually, I'm thinking that's coming right out of the comedy movie.
[00:14:40] Cindy Drummond: Pretty much. Yeah, pretty much.
[00:14:42] Damaged Parents: I couldn't imagine just, did you have like, surprise shock anger?
[00:14:48] Cindy Drummond: I think I was just in disbelief. Are you kidding me? But
[00:14:53] Damaged Parents: Hmm.
[00:14:54] Cindy Drummond: good story.
[00:14:55] Damaged Parents: It's definitely funny. So along the journey, you're starting to learn to trust yourself again. And how is that showing up or how are you, what are you noticing about yourself that you can say, okay, I am starting to trust that I can see people for who they are.
[00:15:14] Cindy Drummond: I journaled every single date. And so I would make these little words of wisdom to myself and, I would say, okay, Cindy, cause I did get stood up once date number six, which I still counted. Didn't show up. And so. when he didn't show up. I mean, I went through all of those things. I was embarrassed. I was mad I was hurt.
But then I've just realized that, okay, so he's still teaching me something. He taught me never trifle with someone's feelings. Never stand somebody up, stay true to who you are and be honest.
[00:15:49] Damaged Parents: So it sounds like, I guess what hurt is that he wasn't able to be honest and tell you I'm not going to make it. And therefore you were able to make a decision from there as to who you wanted to be in your relationships and how you wanted to show up.
[00:16:02] Cindy Drummond: Or what if he didn't show up and didn't like what he saw and turned around and left.
[00:16:08] Damaged Parents: Oh, there's so many different ways you could go with that story and that's just painful. So how did you decide which, okay. This, it might sound a little weird, but how did you decide which story you were going to tell yourself and which one you were going to go with it, go with, you know what I'm saying? Do you understand where I'm coming from?
[00:16:27] Cindy Drummond: I do and I think I mean again, a different day. I might've read that story completely different. Cause I did wonder was it me? Did he see me is, you know, and then I would, I even refer sometimes, there's the book, the four agreements. And if you're familiar with that, it's not about you.
It's about that other person. And I just try to remind myself that. This was my journey. And, I was only going to do what I was going to do and to put myself out there and make sure that I was kind and loving throughout the process.
[00:16:59] Damaged Parents: So this journey it's almost like you were, I want to say this. TheWork.org or Byron Katie's work. I don't know if you're familiar with her there's the judge, your neighbor worksheet.
And I'm, thinking that in some ways, these dates were judge your neighbor worksheets in a way, and that you got to turn it around and really investigate who you were. And so if you were to rate yourself, on some sort of scale is to your self awareness prior to this journey. And after, where would you rate yourself?
[00:17:34] Cindy Drummond: Well, that was the aha moment. I mean, definitely the person that I showed up. As on date. Number one was not the same person by date 16 and by day 26. And I think that that is truthfully, that that was the clarity. When I realized the guys that I was meeting were quite insignificant and I don't mean that in a disparaging way, but every time I was showing up, I was showing up braver and with more confidence and.
Being able to just know that I was learning how to trust you again.
[00:18:11] Damaged Parents: And it sounds like just that becoming super self-aware of who you were. That's why, when I heard you say that they're not, this is not to be disparaging. But the most importantly, it seems like it mattered who am I in relation to all of these other people? And so it sounds like a real, kind of journey of self inquiry.
[00:18:31] Cindy Drummond: I would agree. That's what exactly. And I think that's why I call the book reflections from the dating pool because it was, it was kind of a mirror, right? Like it was how I was showing up and putting myself out there and how that was reflecting back to me.
[00:18:48] Damaged Parents: and.
Did that change your relationships or help your relationships in your personal life, outside of the dating, right? Like with the kids or the parents or the ex, or ex's did becoming self-aware and learning about yourself, help those relationships in any way, or make them maybe not help them. But, maybe now not so personal there, you know, like their behaviors, their behavior.
Does that make sense?
[00:19:14] Cindy Drummond: Absolutely. I think. Yes. I feel like there was, I felt like my kids got to see a different side of me and I feel like they were cheering me on, even though they weren't involved in the process. Interestingly enough, my best friend of 30 years, I lost that friendship over this year. And I don't, I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like, well, I was going through this journey and learning how to heal.
That was not resonating with her. And so, yeah, our friendship didn't survive this year.
[00:19:49] Damaged Parents: Yeah, I think it's really beautiful that your journey of healing was dates and that turned into your self reflection and your self inquiry and things like that. And yet for other people, maybe it's meditation or it's, trying things that scare them every day or who knows, maybe jumping out of an airplane.
I don't know,
[00:20:12] Cindy Drummond: Absolutely.
[00:20:13] Damaged Parents: yeah, it's just, it's really interesting how different. Everyone's journey really is. And that I'm just thinking to myself, there's, it's not my job to judge what your journey looks like
and your struggle and how you choose to heal. I mean while I would probably not choose 50 men in 52 weeks. I think it's been fantastic for you. You look really happy across the well across the screen.
[00:20:41] Cindy Drummond: I am really happy.
[00:20:42] Damaged Parents: And, did you, when you were starting this journey, did you think that that was where it was going to go?
[00:20:48] Cindy Drummond: I mean, I, said I had an expectation. I did want, I had hoped that I would fall in love. But I remember when we were coming up to the close to the anniversary. So December 16, one year later I happened to be in Maui with friend And she said, wow, like you did it, you completed your journey. You've now dated.
It was 53 men at the time. And she said, good for you now what? And I said, well, I'll date another 50. If I have to go through this journey and she said, well, or now that you've done that, why don't you make a list of what you're looking for? Like maybe, maybe you're ready to meet the one.
And I took her advice and you know, there, I wasn't Maui one of the most beautiful places in the world. And I did, I said a little prayer and sent it out to the universe and said, I think I've done the work. I think I'm ready.
[00:21:42] Damaged Parents: And did anything magically show up or would that spoil the book.
[00:21:46] Cindy Drummond: Uh, spoiler alert.
[00:21:48] Damaged Parents: Okay. We're not sharing that one. Good thing. I'm an avid reader,
but the, I think most importantly, what I'm hearing from you is being willing to take that risk. And even though it might be terrifying, it's okay. And. You'll make it, it just keep going.
[00:22:11] Cindy Drummond: I think that's true. And I think it's so relatable. I'm not suggesting that everybody needs to go on 50 dates, but we've all experienced for the first time ever. We have all experienced very similar situation where there has been a lot of isolation and loneliness. And so maybe you don't need me to go on 50 dates, but if you are scared, you know, maybe this is just a nudge or to give you hope to say that, the only way to get through something is to take that first step.
[00:22:42] Damaged Parents: And it sounds like even from what you said even if you're terrified, just do it, like you, you cried all the way to your first date.
And then wipe the mascara and still did it, I mean, that took a tremendous amount of courage, was that courage you knew you had, or was it something that you chose in that moment?
[00:23:05] Cindy Drummond: Oh, that's a really good question. I don't know if I knew I had it, but I kind of knew I had to find it.
[00:23:14] Damaged Parents: And so did you also know in some ways that was going to be walking through that, that fear?
[00:23:20] Cindy Drummond: I think so. I mean, I definitely knew that I had to step out of my comfort zone if, if what I wanted to achieve was to be able to trust again, to perhaps fall in love. Again, I could, I had to push through the fear
[00:23:37] Damaged Parents: Right. And again, it wasn't trusting them. It was trusting you yourself.
[00:23:43] Cindy Drummond: right
[00:23:44] Damaged Parents: So it sounds to me then in some ways, like you became the goal, it wasn't about the guys. It was about you.
[00:23:53] Cindy Drummond: About me.
[00:23:54] Damaged Parents: And that seems a little counterintuitive in today's society. At least from the world I live in for women to make it about them.
[00:24:03] Cindy Drummond: Oh, for sure. But I think that it's, I think that if you asked people. What they found attractive about another person they would say is the ability that they know that other person loves themselves. Right. Self-confidence and I'm not suggesting the self-confidence that you see on social media and on television, but I'm suggesting that self-confidence, that just comes from the inside where you know, that person has self-worth.
[00:24:33] Damaged Parents: Okay. So like you can see inner peace in them or they're just, I think I understand what you're saying. And so I'm trying to explain it back. It's this almost like a peaceful, knowing that they know who they are and where they stand, and there's no need for you per se, or anyone else to fix them their whole on their own.
[00:24:56] Cindy Drummond: their whole on their own.
and they can be perfectly imperfect. You know what I mean? But it's that knowing that I'm just who I am and I accept you as you are, but I know that you portray yourself. I know that we've got boundaries and all of those things and. who I am today, I might show up even differently tomorrow.
Right. But who I am today? I like how I show up. I like that. I, I have a pretty good idea of what I am willing to do, what I'm not willing to do, what I'm willing to accept and what I'm not willing to accept.
[00:25:29] Damaged Parents: So almost knowing that for yourself gives room to the other people in your life to know it for themselves too right. Because you don't have to fix anything for them.
[00:25:39] Cindy Drummond: Not my job.
[00:25:40] Damaged Parents: That makes sense. That that did make sense. Right.
[00:25:43] Cindy Drummond: Absolutely.
[00:25:44] Damaged Parents: That's really interesting. I think that's some people, well, I can definitely say this about myself. I. thought that was my job and the family dynamics that I grew up in, right. That I needed to fix that. So was that also something that you struggled with it, you needed to be that person and they couldn't be on their own type thing, does it or were they, yeah, I'm just going to stop there.
[00:26:12] Cindy Drummond: I think we all, if we're nice people and we're compassionate people sure. We want to help others and that's okay. But we, we shouldn't fix others. There's a difference.
[00:26:25] Damaged Parents: There is. Now, could you explain that? What the difference looks like for you?
[00:26:30] Cindy Drummond: Now you've put me on the spot. I think the difference for me is that when somebody is going through something and it's a loved one, maybe it's one of my children, maybe, maybe it's a friend. I think that you want to be compassionate. You want to be empathetic. But you want to listen and perhaps there's even advice to be given, but you can't, it's not my job to fix another person.
They have to go through that journey themselves. They have to walk through that door. They have to take those steps. I can only offer support. Can't do it for them. Does that make sense?
[00:27:06] Damaged Parents: I think so, because I think it, we're talking a little bit about the same thing where, you know, fixing someone requires me telling them what to do, and then if they don't do it, then they're going to end up in this place. But loving them. I can share that information. A lot of times nowadays I'll ask, would you like an idea or two?
And then they get to do with it, what they want. It's like, because I don't know their journey and it's not my job to decide when they're going to learn a lesson that they're supposed to learn, that's their job. So I kind of have to let it go. Is that, are we on the same page with that.
[00:27:43] Cindy Drummond: I think so. And the other thing is, is if you tell somebody what to do and then they don't do it, you're kind of get frustrated with them so better to support, not draft. And then you're not like. I don't think you should attach yourself to a certain result from them either. Right just love them.
[00:28:03] Damaged Parents: Well and I think that gives room to love them.
[00:28:06] Cindy Drummond: Yeah.
[00:28:07] Damaged Parents: Right because before that's not, I don't think that's what I think that's manipulation and control. If you don't do it my way, then this will happen. And you know, or the, I told you so's and then the expectations and the resentment, I just see a really, I'm going down the hill real fast here, just even in talking about it.
So you could imagine what happens in real life, right?
[00:28:28] Cindy Drummond: It's true.
[00:28:29] Damaged Parents: Oh, man. Okay. So what would be the top three tools or tips of anyone, whether it's dating 50 different men, or if it's just going on their own self-inquiry journey, what three top tips or tools would you say you would want them to have, or that you think that might help them.
[00:28:47] Cindy Drummond: I think the top three tools are. Right a contract for yourself so that you've got a goal and expectations two would be journal, journal the journey, no matter what that is, if it's dating, job, searching, whatever that is, journal it because when you're in something you need to be able to look back.
That reflection piece is so key. And then I think the third piece is. If you're going to share what you're doing. I think the accountability partner is great, but be careful because sometimes when you share a lofty goal with somebody, they will try to sabotage you.
[00:29:27] Damaged Parents: Ooh, that's a really good one because of their own fears and their own judgements. And again, we get into that fixing, they think they know better for us than we do it.
It reminds me of a quote. I think it was on a it was about health, but you know, who knows, but basically I think in the quote, it was something about who knows my body more better than I do.
Right. And in this situation who's who knows me better than me.
[00:29:58] Cindy Drummond: That's great.
[00:29:59] Damaged Parents: Oh, that's just really a beautiful message to leave with the audience. Thank you so much for coming on this show today, Cindy.
[00:30:07] Cindy Drummond: Thank you. I love that we've had this conversation cause I feel like it was a little vulnerable and very authentic, and I think that's the best way to be.
[00:30:17] Damaged Parents: Oh, yeah, I think so too. You guys check out Cindy Drummond you can find her in her group, Women Only Weekend, read the book Reflections From the Dating Pool. It is not just about dating. It's about a self inquiry journey and finding who she is. yeah. What better way to get that courage then to see what it went like for someone else.
So thank you again, and we'll see you soon.
[00:30:44] Cindy Drummond: Thank you so much.
[00:30:45] Damaged Parents: Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Relatively Damaged by Damaged Parents. We really enjoy talking to Cindy about how she took responsibility for herself by going on 50 dates, we especially liked when she spoke about how she learned. It was really about learning to love herself, to unite with other damaged people connect with us on Instagram. Look for damaged parents. We'll be here next week. Still relatively damaged. See you then.
